[INFO] Milton Samuels - Red Hot (Keithus I)

[Tonto]

No problemo en ce qui me concerne, et si besoin je peux dire que j'essaye de ne jamais prendre qui que ce soit ici pour un con, et encore moins ici.
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En clair, tu te retiens? je sais pas si la tournure est volontaire, mais merci de respecter les membres de ce forum et de ne pas les prendre pour des cons de façon détournée.


EDIT: c'était pas volontaire en fait, mais calmez vous

[Nohay]

i only came on here to make a post to show that unlike some have suggested, i am not unwilling to answer certain questions when asked, and to shed some light on things about producers, master tapes, stampers, etc. that quite frankly, (and take this as arrogant if you will!), most people who complain about issues relative to all these things, have little to no understanding of.

i don't care to convince anyone to buy or not buy, like or not like reissues, or to think i am a charity or a capitalist pig.

we are carrying on forward regardless. at the end of the day, whatever sounds good to you sounds good to you, and if that means you're an OG press purist, a happy reissue buyer, or a dude who only listens to 128kpbs mp3's on your ipod, who's to judge? it's your ears!
for my part i think all our records sound good (albeit not without flaws sometimes, but this process is far from perfect!).

it is certainly impossible to please everyone, as everyone values different parts of the music differently.

we only hope that some people are as happy being able to buy these records as we have been to be able to know the people behind them, who are all very happy to have their work available again.

final comment is that anyone who thinks anyone in the reggae business in 2012 is getting rich, is showing only one thing...you don't know anything about the business!



over and out!

-RB NYC

Why is it so difficult to have some information about your work?

You find that your releases sounds good. So you don't want to hear some critics that we could have about sound quality?
You are probably a great reggae lovers so you know perfectly that the jamaican music had a specific sound texture, with granular colors, who come from old vintage studio material and sound engineers talent. Guys like tubby, Scientist have definitively give a special character to all those sounds we like.
Jamaica is a poor country, at this time (70s 80s) recording and mastering process was a mix between, old hardware network and brilliant talent of JA engineers. But you don't trust them and their works? You think, songs need to be remastered, with some 2012 studio? for example, a denoiser do the similar ting as mp3 compression and destroy the sample. A compressor will kill dynamics, egalisation and subtlety. Drum are press down, little default will be accentuated etc. This is not respectfull, and i'm surprised that guys wo loves reggae music can do that to the music they like and they respect.

If you use some "mint unplayed copy" i think there is not necessary to "remastered" those tune and sound will be better. I'm sure you want to do your best, but sometimes, simple things are better.
Every label has the same "2012 sound". You work in EU or US studio, and pressing industry. So all releases lost their typical character unfortunately.
And why the different stages of your work is so hidden? Why it is so difficult to say, "yeah it come from a org vinyl"? Do you think we want to blame you? Absolutely not, it is the best way to press some obscure tunes.
We need some transparency: we need to know what we buy, how it have been made and who will win some money with the project.


You find it sounds good? Ok, fine and good for you. But I'm not. I'm a true fan of 80s style (channel one is my favourite studio, radics my fav band etc), so i well known your works and there is positive points on it. I follow you till the beginning, and i tell you it's difficult to continue. The sound properties of your singles are boring me, prices are so expensive and i really need to know all process you've done with sound samples and people are concerned (artists, engineers etc).

You live a beautiful time. You want to give some recognition to reggae music and it's possible easily with internet, very well sir. But i think, it could be better and more respectfull with the sound and with people wants to buy your stuff.
Don't forget that reggae music is a very sensitive music with particular feelings and vibes; so you need to preserve it and do much care to bring it to us in better way.
Remember that jamaican music is not adapted to occidental norms! Don't try to clean or transform your samples, please.



About business and money, don't want to talk about that, it' not my concerned. But we're not fools, there is money behind that; i just hope artists win everything they have rights over their songs.


Thank you to come to discuss about your new release, i think i wait since one years for this keithus I release (red hot); sound will be questionnable but it will be a pleasure to offer this great tune to my best friend and put it in my collection too. Thank you for channel one "lost and founds", i've discovered some tunes i really like etc.


See ya.

[bondreggae]

it is not difficult to "have some information" about our releases. in fact i started posting here for precisely that reason, as i stated in earlier postings. and of course i welcome criticism. we have two websites, two facebook pages, our email addresses are public, and i post regularly on various message boards. i am easy to reach and pose questions to. considering i don't know anyone from any other label that does this, i find it ironic that anyone would think we are veiled in secrecy. however, and to be frank, you seem to feel that you are entitled to every detail of everything, and you are not. i try to as forthcoming as possible b/c i know that as a FAN and consumer myself, i sometimes want to know some details about a label's release as well. but in the end we are releasing a product and it is up to the consumer to decide how they feel about this product and if it is worth their money. we are truly accountable only to those artists/producers we are in business with, and to our own conscience. i release records that i think are good, that i know i would be happy with as a fan. i don't expect everyone to agree or be pleased. if you as a fan and consumer cannot support our endeavors because you require some kind of full and public transparency about every detail of our operation, then so be it.

and potentially there is language barrier here, but your tone seems to indicate that you think you need to educate me about how Jamaican music was made back then, and the trappings of new studios now, etc. i assure you i am well versed in all of these things. when i say "remastered" from an original copy, i mean only that the audio from an original copy is used as the master to make a new lacquer...the same way a master tape audio would be used if it existed. if you are unfamiliar with what a lacquer is, or how vinyl mastering works, please familiarize yourself. if not, then you should know what i mean. i assure you that we never re-EQ or toy with the sound/mix of the source material in any way other than to attempt to remove the noise created by physical imperfections and/or wear on the original copy. and yes, we are well aware that this always causes some level of compromise to the fidelity. this is the great compromise of what we do, you have to sacrifice a little here. it's necessary to make these things work and these releases possible. for a summation of our philosophy on this, please refer to the NB on the right side of http://www.digikillerrecords.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
nothing more to say about this process than that. i also assure you that every label from the 90s till now has done the same.
but again, if you personally feel that this compromise makes these releases unpalatable to you, then c'est la vie.
but please do not take this compromise as any disrespect of the music, because it is absolutely not that.

as for the finances and the compensation that arises there from...this is only the business of those parties engaged in such business, and is not for public consumption. end of story. i would think that anyone with common sense might realize that by now we have released almost 200 records and that if anyone was being "robbed" by us, well, probably you'd hear about it by now.
every producer who works with me knows me personally, face to face, and it is only their satisfaction that i am concerned with, in regards to financial business. not those of internet speculators. again to this i would say that if you require a full transparency of the private financial business of two parties, in order to feel assured that either one is operating ethically, then sadly, we are not the label for you.

lastly, if you think the prices of these records are too high, to that i can only say that these records are as cheap as they can possibly be, and if you think that to be a lie, then i urge you to educate yourself on the economics of doing this kind of business, the work involved, the cost of manufacturing, the sales potential, and most of all, the expectations of those people who are the owners of this music.

finally, i appreciate the serious tone of your post, as i am always interested in civilized and open discourse. your passion for the music is evident, and i recognize that passion in many individuals as the reason that they seem to hold us as "guilty until proven innocent", rather than vice versa. again, c'est la vie.

thanks for your kind words and criticisms all the same.

forward ever,
-RB

[bondreggae]

another related point i always need to hammer home is that i defy anyone who claims to be a lover of the music and wants to be sure of the rights of artist & producer being respected, to stand with any artist or producer and tell them that their tune(s) should NOT be re-released because the master tape is lost, or because the original is "rare" and the tune(s) will be "less magical" after, etc.

i see you have a picture of the Steve Knight LP as your avatar, and i am happy for that, as i can tell you that LP is my favorite reggae LP of all time and further i believe it to be the single best LP of the 1980s.

so for example, would you tell George Nicholson (producer) or Steve Knight that any of the songs shouldn't be released again because George has lost the master tapes for some of his songs?

i can tell you that both George and Steve are over joyed about the re-release of these songs and the fact that despite it's total commercial failure when released, that almost 30 years later, those songs are highly sought after and loved worldwide!

i mean this as no attack, just simply a discussion about a point of view that i find to be very puzzling!

anyway, you might be happy to know then that a forthcoming release we have is a 12" featuring previously unreleased (diff. from LP) vocal & dub mix of "see dem a come", which is straight from master tape. it was intended to be released in 1984 as a 10" on Hitbound label but that released never happened!

[Nohay]

Thank you very much for your answer and your understanding. My english is not perfect and every time i have a hard tone, i recognize, please forgive me.

Of course i don't want to learn you what is reggae music, and i'm sure that we talk the same language, that i tried to show. I've seen your 80s taste till the beginning, and yes we have the same...

As a consummer and a collector, i'm lost; i don't buy anymore since few month ago. Buy some repress? Buy some expensive collector? I just see there is a revival for old reggae music with some good and bad points.
It's difficult to follow re-edition works when you are very strict and attentive to listenning experience. And it's difficult to buy only collector's items because, it became a crazy running on ebay.
Nobody is rich in reggae world. And i don't understand why money is became an important point for loving this music, what a ironic situation. I just want to share this magical feelings with other guys, not enter inna stupid competition and ruin my wallet.


About master and lacquer, i understand what you're telling to me. Yes i known a little how it is make, cause i'm a hip hop producer and engineer, that's why my ears are so attentive now, to every details.
So if i consider that you're saying, you think it's not possible to do something better with a master made from an original record? I'm not sure, but i'm not a specialist of that, as you.
Sometimes i asked myself, why nobody wants to work in jamaica today? Is it impossible to do some good pressing in there? Because this is the place where the money must go, this is the place where everything have been done; this is the place where you can find and old material with some vintage pressing industry. But i will understand if it's not possible to have a clean press in this country now.

90's press were so dirty!!!! Most of those records were noisy (a little or very much), but it consistent.
Of course when i'm playing those records, i'm not really satisfied, cause they have been pressed with very used records on dirty wax and the result is bad. But the sound is true to the original, and all those inconvenience are true with jamaican traditions. So i forgive them.


Now you have tried to explain me your process and belief with sincerity. I understand that no studio are really specialised (i suppose) with your vintage and sensitive necessities. Maybe you have tried some other ways to protect reggae special features but it have been failed.
However, now you are the best and the first reggae label at this time, congratulations for that, i'm sure you deserve it. If you want to continue, don't hesitate to do an evolution. I've seen that you've released some 70s sound now, maybe the technique need an evolution too. I'm ready to pay more to back the best work.
Because as i'm a tue fan of 80s style (michael palmer, wayne smith, steve knight, echo minott, etc makes me crazy, as you) and if i don't follow and support you, who will do that? You're releasing records i have, or records i want. At the beginning you made me crazy, your choices really talked to me, and another example i've began to listen and buy digital style with you; before i didn't like that.


About my dilemma, when i will be ready to buy again i think i will choose collectors for records i love and repress for records i like to hear sometimes.
About recognition of old jamaican artists (like steve knight) it's great if they're enjoying that we love and care for them; i think it's the most important part of your work finally, really. In fact those technic considerations are just audiophile's details, isn't it?

[Nohay]

erreur d'edition.. désolé.

[ITAL]

£410 cette fois

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